and why lyndon johnson? >> guest: oh, well, that picture -- i love that picture because wasserman was really crazy about lbj, and definitely was closer to him than to any other president. and wasserman is right there at his left. and wasserman always said that johnson had offered him the position of secretary of commerce. ultimately, i came to believe that that was not true that he had actually offered it to him. i think there was some suggestion about it, but i don't believe that it was ever offered. but that became part of wasserman's -- it was very important to wasserman, first of all, to have this political influence as a reality, and also to be able to sort of trade on it. i mean, it -- it enhanced his aura, the fact that he was friends with presidents. and the fact that he could say also that johnson had -- was not only someone whom he could get on the phone and whom he saw and was invited to the white house many times, but that johnson had offered him a cabinet position just elevated him, obviously, e